I trimmed down all the excess turnsignals lights and ditched the speedo. If you have a fancy multimeter you can pick which one you want. thanks again, but let me ask one more ?, could i just have a bad icm? If you are stuck with having to manually cancel the turn signals, the problem could be found in connectivity to the speedometer or the TSSM. Im looking at this set of instructions at: seems like the ground signal to the relay is not full strength. Didn't completely trim out the wires cut em back shrink wrapped the ends and tucked em away. I saw earlier in the thread someone mentioned "snipping one of the wires" for that year and that was all that was necessary to disable the tsm. Long time lurker first time poster. if you have any suggestion the the S.E. i started a forum on chopcult. Looking good! DR. Cosmo I am really hoping you can point me in the right direction. Ok, I'm a bit confused. I checked the wiring and all looked good so I figured that the module must be what is wrong since it's both signals. i ddint know you would knock it out that quick and now i can get it before the weekend....pm me. i mean i could put more than one ting on a bigger fuse....now if it blows i lose more than one thing but would elimiate a ton of wires......you thoughts cosmo. It says I can't give you any more Rep so I will Later I like the way you always Provide good info ! vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc. My local tech (not dealership) says it sounds like a bad icm. All depends on your multimeter, but usually continuity test and diode test are the same position on the dial. came out great just need to put my seat and fender and my baby is all done.. thanks again. Good info!! Cosmo what the deuce??? You're correct Cosmo, the bike runs fine without it and I'm riding it now with the module removed, just would like to know how to get my signals to work(manually) without the tsm. Any idea? Not sure if this makes a differance but i do still have the speedo wired in. Automatic Turn Signal Self Canceling Light Module by Badlands®. Thanks again for the help! Glad to have you with us! Well Cosmo I'm not sure if it worked. again thanks man i might be bothering u a little more in the future haha. Best-selling in Other Lighting & Indicators. Just hooking up the tssm didn't work until I attached the speedo as well. No sorry i needed to be more detailed in my question. But if the tsm is bad I can reprogram it to mine. northwoodsiron, I split most of your post off to start a new thread, here. It's simple the #2 plug on the icm/ecm must always have power running to it even with the key turned off (that's how the stock wiring is and I didn't realize why when I first wired my bike up). thanks a ton cosmo.....thats what i figured it was but it almost made me think my bike might have has the security system. Skip to content. Sie können Ihre Einstellungen jederzeit ändern. Ok thanks, I'll check it out. How would I reprogram it myself? I think the first post might have solved my wiring problems I have been fighting for months. For late model bikes made after about 2005: 1. i cannot find a place for it to hook up, but also some of the wires from it are spliced into the TSM. your are a saint brother.....i wonder what the holdup was on my bike. cosmo, can you confirm that i can remove the light grn/violet wire (data). If you want to hang out with the real riders you need to get yourself a Sportster! When you replaced the old ICM did you go through a password relearn procedure? Lots of great people / ideas on here! My question in, how do I deal with the TSM if I'm not planning on running it? Sweet Cosmo! I don't have any blown fuses and I can hear the flasher (little box in the rubber cover) clicking, but I get nothing. Tsm, but this is actualy a custom built bike, and was not going to use the tsm but bike wouldn't run soi got the tsm and still doesn't. I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. Hello friends. cosmo, please pm your mailing address and i will mail it out today with return postage paid. 2nd 10min wait complete.....only 10mins left! I tried plugging in the old icm and i get the same runtime situation. The TSM/TSSM (turn signal module / turn signal security module) controls the turn signal flashing and cancelling. Lots of great people / ideas on here. Sick of trying to work the clutch, steering, throttle and turn signal at the same time. If you look at the link you'll see it even states this as one of the steps you take during the process. C $102.33. Awesome. Test what you can with a test light or multimeter. Yahoo ist Teil von Verizon Media. The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®, Sportster Motorcycle Electrical and Ignition, How-To: Eliminate the Turn Signal Module (TSM). Also, because of the issue with ground signal coming out of the module weak I just grounded the relay to the frame and I'm just using the Ignition, ground, and data wires. No worries about paying me....return postage is more than enough. Just want to add that if you bypass the TSM you will have diagnostic trouble codes present 100% of the time and if you are still using the stock speedo the check engine light will be on all the time also. Sorry to dig up an older post, but have a few quick questions. or Best Offer +$8.95 shipping. Thanks for all this info by the way it has really helped me out. Buy It Now. So the bike can be started with it in gear and the clutch out. I imagine that I'll be posting some sort of result here once I get the new tsm. You really seem to know loads about it. I just grabbed a TSM off eBay. but the bike cranks, and runs for about 3-5 seconds and shuts off. Thanks a lot Cosmo, I did end up getting running. Same thing. This modification is for 04'+ TSMs only! After removing the signals plenty of the bolt goes in so it's no problem. it is running kinda rough but its running. When you say Security System, are you implying that all EFI bikes have some sort of ECM cut if the TSM is removed the bike won't start, or does that only apply if you have the separately sold HD Sec Sys installed? I have an '07. I am not going to say you don't have a bad ICM. it has the same ecm that was on the bike before the wiring job. so i borrowed a TSM from the HD dealer. here is the link and i show the connection im talking about. Engine seems ok - bought on-line - spins good, good comp. thanks a ton cosmo.....thats what i figured it was but it almost made me think my bike might have has the security system. think it may be firing on one cyl but that is easy enough to track down...prob just a spark plug wire etc.....but it runs.....cant thank you enough....now i should be able to make smokeout this weekend. fired right up cosmo. :). I read the whole thing just. Have you ever drawn up a simple diagram for someone who just needs the bare minimal. Dunno. i am suppose to be going out ot town next thursday on the bike. only two days mail time so i could have it to you by thursday..... PM sent. Glad to hear you got it figured out 9V! I'm pretty sure EFI does the same thing, but '03 and earlier sportsters might not because they didn't use a tsm, at least not like we've got on our bikes (mine's '04). And if anybody needs a really simple wiring harness for a 05 sportster lemme know. Evo, Mileage Unknown. Alf, I apologise; I obviously hadn't read the thread properly. 4. Lots of great people / ideas on here...glad to have you with us! I talked to the dealership he says a brand new out of the box icm does not need to be married to a tsm. I am not so sure I am going to be as lucky trying to plug it back in! They used a separate bank angle sensor. What year did all change? Here is the background, I have an 04 sportster 883 punches to a 1200 with alarm and key fob. Having the wiring wrong when you first put power to it might have done some damage. $225.00. (Off, on, momentary start key switch) (self grounded headlight with a high beam,low beam switch in the housing) map sensor crank sensor voltage reg and that's it. What the hell was Harley thinking with this stupid system? Didn't realize you had different lights altogether...I am used to my plug n' play radientz LEDs. All parts are sold AS-IS. No codes just "diag" when i hold the trip button down, dis regaurd im a moron....started to read post on how to get codes will let u know what i find out. Remove your rear wheel splash gaurd to access. So - your current latching switches allow you to press once - the turn signal blinks until you press again, to unlatch .... Is that right? Interesting....but if I read it correctly you do not have spark after a few cycles with the dynatek and tsm hooked up right? but all that wire does is send information from the ecm to the speedo and tsm, which i will have niether. the ecm is good i have faith their. according to the wiring, all i should need for the ECM to see the tsm and do the re-learn is the grey, black, and grn/violet......here is a picture of my set up. Accessing the diagnostics menu requires you to press several of the accessory switches in a very specific manner, within a short amount of time. A wiring diagram is a simplified standard photographic depiction of an electrical circuit. I'll post and let you know if it works. I left my starter relay grounded to the frame (as opposed to being connected to terminal 9) during the whole process, and it still worked. Has TSSM and Smart Security siren(I had no idea until it was chopped, didn't have key fob. I have read bits & pieces of this thread. The turn signal module receives its information from the speedometer and turn signal switches. also, you can tell it is not cutting of due to lack of fuel etc like a carb bike. If I wanted to get rid of the factory Security System, what I've got to do is replace the factory TSSM with a TSM and do the ECM password relearn. #5 +12vdc speedo input, #7 Right Turn command 11.8 vdc, #8 left turn command 11.8v There was not any output to blinkers on pins #3 RT and #4 LT. Still doesn't seem right. Ok so i have not hooked up the head light yet wire is there but not hooked up. well i tested with a test light and there is power but when i am cranking the wht/bk from icm to coil dims down i still gonna check with meter later. we will see tonight....i temporarily wired in my speedo to the same pigtail that plugs into my data link. no tsm, no speedo.....etc.....it did not have a security system on it from the factory. Pressing the turn signal twice before starting the procedure is the secret to this whole deal, as it would turn out. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. I'm guessing the alarm will still work even if disabled? thanks a ton. so how would i know if that sensor is pulsing......take it in the get them to hook it up? Power stays at coil even when it quits. Like I said before be ready for loads of questions when I start tearing into my bike. The space the signal bracket took up only allowed the very tip of the bolts to grab and I guess I overtightened considering that situation. Would actually be nice it couldn't. They do not work at all. Would be greatly appreciated. Same goes for the plugs since I cut out the kill switch and starter button I made sure I sent a constant power to the blk/wht coil wire that connects to the icm. Shipping it to me will probably be a lot cheaper than HD will charge. By the way....I see it is your first post, so welcome to the XLF from Central NY! All have their own 15 amp fuse except power in has a 30. Go to light it up a little struggle and she fires up and runs like a champ! From United States +C $24.76 shipping estimate. using a S.E. thanks to u my bars are clear and my bike is actually running cuz i could not figure it out. And one more question can i just leave the connections open like that?? So I have constant power there as well. i read all of your post on removing the tsm. Sorry for pulling up questions on a nearly decade old post but: I've taken apart my bike to hardtail (I know, it'll hurt hahaha) and stripped everything off. Since the blown fuses may have caused the ICM to fault in some way, the resync with the TSM/TSSM may be necessary to get it back to an active condition... Maybe the reset occured when I attempted the diagnostic mode maybe? I did the first table ( I have an '04) and it was good but I tried setting the alarm and it still worked. You need to get a standard TSM and do the password relearn procedure before disconnecting the TSSM from the bike. Sounds right too me. This is the electrical section; it's defeinitely the right section. I have an inline spark tester on my plugs (brand new)and the light up on ignition and die when the bike dies. I cut out the tssm completely and grounded out the data link. That was on my '05. For 3 seconds then acts like it's running out of gas. Mike.....you are now treading in unfamiliar ground for me. Once a problem has been isolated to a specific system or circuit, ... FRONT TURN SIGNALS [31A] BE MAP SENSOR BN/GY BN/GY W/GN BK GY TN/GN LGN/BN BE BK BK R/GY R/BK R/BK BK/R LGN/V BK W/BK W/BK GY R LGN/V W-GN ... RUN/STOP SIGNAL BATTERY +5V SENSOR PWR SENSOR GROUND MODULE GROUND COIL FRONT COIL REAR Everything else works perfectly. Does that seem right? you say 04-up but later in the thread you say your 07 is different, Yes, it works for an 07'. Check the switches. Get a little nervous with no rear signals. We turned engine over with plugs removed and they fire longer than 1 second - tried for about 5 sec and they fired the whole time. I know it's an old thread but where would i add a relay and what kind if i didn't want to hold the turn signal button down all the time ? Is that all there is to it, if I'm not trying to remove the TSM entirely? Badlands Turn Signal Canceler ATS-03-A Badlands Illuminator Plug-in Style Run, Brake and Turn Signal Module ILL-01-A Eagle Equalizer Plug and Play Load Equalizer and Stabilizer for Harley Davidson Motorcycle LED Turn Signals The ICM will not allow the bike to start...it is part of the theft feature. We do not renegotiate price after the sale. who cares now....you will get mad props on my feature!!! And this is what I found out. I know this is an old post but i have tried to do this to my bike and can get it to start but it stalls imediately any suggestions? I did not mess with the tsm but i did have a secutity system and i used your thread on tssm to tsm swap. Position #2 brown/grey wire sends power from the battery to the ICM....see if you have voltage on that wire with ignition on and run/stop switch set to run. item 8 TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96 8 - TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96. w/2005 sportster 1200 - we eliminated the TSM (Grounded out the starter relay control wire) per your original post. Thanks again Cosmo, I will test the grounds and see if I can test the inputs to that module. If you have any ideas where else I could look would be greatly appreciated. No dice. But I'm the second owner, so I don't know if the PO had something flashed to the ECM. If you have 12 vdc to only one side, replace the fuse. The module just suppresses the signal for the brake on each side to allow the turn signal to flash (ie..the brake and turn signal run down the same wire after the module). Well I removed the tsm completely, I don't want it. Oh wow. Thank you cosmo, Yeah I know i am not in the right forum but have search this topic everywhere i can think of, was just browsing when i saw your post about disabling the tsm, but I built a custom bike with a tc 88/ made my own harness and everything works fine except the motor starts then stalls immediately. I tried rewiring the bike running the starter relay from the tcm wiring directly to the ground. The series and buttons are different for different year bikes. I go to take her for a little ride before I leave for a trip get maybe a 1/4 mile away and backfire and acts like it ran out of gas. You Rock man ! If resistance is less than 1 ohm check for 12 vdc on both sides of the accessory fuse. It's giving me like a 560 on the multi-meter or something in that range, instead of sounding the buzzer (like it would if you put one probe to the negative on the battery and the other to the frame). Sorry for the book but I have tried everything I can think of and am now working backwards I tried powering the data link as well no change. I deleted your post because it was just duplicating your thread. I have the proper female pin connectors. The bike WILL start and run for a second and die. Seems other people have done it without trouble but maybe on efi? KK - Check to make sure you are getting power to the ICM itself. The module has 12V power supplied to the unit, and when it gets a signal from either of the turn signal switches, it lets the lights blick for 9 seconds (or so), and then cancels them. I assume that shouldn't affect anything as my lights were out before that and I actually got the rear to work for a brief moment afterwards. here in germany in ebay are only nuts. You have to start the bike one time with the tsm that is already password learned to the ecm/icm, then remove it and your good to go. The factory security system is contained within the Turn Signal Module (TSM), which becomes a Turn Signal Security Module (TSSM) when it is so equipped. Also my initial cut and tuck of the wires was 3 years ago, When I cut out the tssm the power for the icm was pigtailed so I dedicated the power from the battery with a 15 amp inline fuse. Turn the ignition switch off and the kill switch to the run position. I have a 2002 and it is a simple matter of snipping the white/green pin 5 wire. That wire is constantly hot, probably not good. Pre-Owned. my bike is wired, minus all the junk. No problem Speed. no prob ill keep yall posted on everything and ill take some pics also. Each one of such tips are illustrated with practical examples. £57.69 + £47.04 postage. This is first time we are starting engine. Ah, thank you gents! The module black cube in rubber thingy still clicks when I press the blinker button, the red key comes on immediately and the green dummy light indicator comes on. Your simplified wiring diagram should work fine. All the signals are run thru this little unit. It seems as though when I put 12v to the #1 terminal which is suppose to be the battery terminal, it makes pretty much every other terminal hot, with exception to 10,11, and 12. I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. Hi Cosmo and thanks for the welcome. Thanks for pointing that out "River Runner"! I have not popped a fuse since the rewire and she fires up and runs strong just won't stay on. The turn signal module (TSM) is an electronic microprocessor that controls the turn signals and four-way hazard flasher. I'm thinking that maybe eliminating it is "confusing" your icm or ecm (don't know what year your bike is) and shutting the bike down. It shows the components of the circuit as streamlined forms, and also the power as well as signal connections in between the devices. Hey all! I jsut put the key and and go. It has the little arrow and an alarm symbol ala: http://www.alpcentauri.info/1197090736106417905vermeil_IEC_Diode_Symbol.svg.hi .png To be honest, all I know is that I always used it to test grounds and if it beeped, everything seemed good. I will be working on it shortly and let you know how it goes. Pulled the plugs and no sparky. I have spark with stock icm no tsm hooked up at all just need to find out fom dynatek what the deal is with there ignition.I might have a dynatek ignition for sale. This is the wiring diagram I'll be trying to use, so I'm not sure where that relay comes into play: When the starter button is built into the starter, there is no need for a starter relay. my harness has a pigtail by the main tsm harness that has the same connection as the o2 and temp sensor thats near the starter. Hopefully this doesn't make me look like more of an ignoramus. So the TSM scrap could possibly be an issue. If I plug 12v into terminal #1 the bike will fire but not run the one cycle. It doesn't have security it's just the stock one. Wasn't fun....but I did verify on my 07' the #12 position is above the #1 position like the manual states it is. At the beginning of this thread (see post #19) I explained how I did it to my bike and if you look at my info I have a 2007 1200N. This helps me out a ton. I check the fuses a couple were popped (not sure which ones) after replacing the fuses she would crank but wouldn't turn over. i am eliminating my tsm along with trimming down my whole harness on my 07. the bike is a full custom and so need the bare min but want to keep the efi. Aftermarket kill switch and push button. I am doing this with my tsm....and I'll do a bypass on it just to make sure it will run sans tsm once the relearn is complete and before I put my ecm back on. I am about to just get a different flasher and bypass the TSM. I read the whole thing just. the tsm is gone now but all oem stuff. but it also did not have a siren or keyfob so im golden. Is it a new tsm that hasn't had the password learn procedure done? Harley turn signal problems. I can't believe it, I think it is the tssm. My signals started to go out intermittently until they just quite working altogether yesterday. You might be able to wire in one of those instead. This is just what I needed. As far as I know, I don't have any Sec Sys installed. I was looking at my manual wiring diagram and i could probably do away with speedo and some other wires too. Let us know when you get the module and ECM back Mike and if the bike fires back up! Password reset would be greatly appreciated i read all of the motor, but im having some issues in....... you will get mad props on my feature!!!!!... For loose or disconnected wires to the XLF from Central NY - SDC signal Self-Cancelling... 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